Then retreat after spraying. one of them went completely through the bear. There are really two types of gun owners who really want to focus on muzzle velocity. Ive been doing this for 40 years. Yes! It's human nature. To say that the 9mm is justbas oowerful than the .44, is totslly nonsense. I like the Bodyguard, unlike a lot of people. However, if the same linebacker hits you at a sprinting speed of 14 miles per hour, its really going to hurt. All the tellings of limited knowledge. In the old days cowboys put 5 rounds in their 6 shooter and money in the last chamber to be used to bury them. One of the GREAT things about FIREARMS in AMERICA is VARIETY!! Like many others, I use the .45 at home (and in the car) with the primary at home a Mossberg Persuader. 15 years ago, a 210 or 215 was something to be embarrassed about. click on the expand picture button on lower right hand corner. When I really want to do some damage my S&W Govt. Expecially a HEAD, NECK or double tap CHEST shot!! Best argument I ever heard was, even if your hollowpoint fails to expand, a .45 will always punch a .45 hole. If you were looking for a typical rifle setup, there appears to be no major reason to go above the federal 16" barrel requirement, unless local laws differ, or whatever the case may be. My instructors told me that the main r reason the Navy didn't want to switch to a 9mm was that you can hit a 300 pound man with a 9mm as he's running toward you. and I have gotten both, plus the 40 Cal Big Brother 10mm. http://www.ballistics101.com/45_acp.php Its a battle-tested gun thats played an important role in American history during the 20th century. I would think soldiers in fire fights face similar circumstances, except with more opponents who may also have body armor, which would favor the 9mm further, since it pierces armor better. Subscribe to Pew Pew Tactical's sales and deals email. AR-9s and other like 9mm platforms. I'm going with the 45 because I'm also getting a Henry lever action rifle to match it. American manufacture and the American firearms industry was able to restock and resupply them when no one else could have. Not saying I could do any better but figured it would be closer to 50%. It just depends on what I am wearing and how much concealment I want. Unfortunately, this benefit may be completely canceled out in some states due to magazine restrictions. Alternatively, the 9mms stopping power and smaller design make it ideal for open and concealed carry. My personal favorite without a doubt is the 1911 design, even though it's heavy, expensive to shoot, and has a limited magazine. If a bullet is traveling at a faster speed, it will either penetrate deeper, expand better, or both. The wound tracks of a 9mm and a .45 ACP are almost the same. Again, you can cite all of your Google readings, real world outcomes are different. Muzzle velocity is simply a measure of the speed of the projectile the moment it leaves the barrel. If you're hiking with bears, I presume they would protect you. This will likely require a head shot. Is muzzle velocity something you need to be concerned about? However, it's very reasonable to say that without American manufacturing, production, and agriculture the United Kingdom would have either fallen directly to the Germans or more likely would have been starved into submission. I'm removing that link since it looks like it was redirected. I freeze. I LIKE them all. Speer 124 Grain 9mm Ammo Average Velocity: 1158 fps Average Muzzle Energy: 369 ft/lbs. And its compact nature makes it easier to carry, especially when concealed carrying. * Lighter gun Another factor to consider is the direction of the grain of the wood. In a gunfight, the least acceptable hit percentage is 60% and less than 80% should be frowned upon, strongly. And stay in touch with newsletters of our best articles on techniques, guns, & gear. Easier to conceal and handle. My experience has led me to the same conclusion. Don't come here like an expert when you clearly base all of your knowledge on YouTube videos you've watched. Outstanding. Thanks for the one sided argument. As you can see, there is a huge difference in bullet velocities from caliber to caliber. Ammo Deals: ZSR Ammunition 9mm 124 Grain FMJ 1000 Rounds $259.99 FREE S&H, AR-15 Barrel Length Does It Even Matter? I pushed a wire into the hole to see how far it penetrated. or 38 & 45 both. Don't be scared but owning a gun is a responsibility. I dont understand why a situation in a street would be different than at home. Well I redid the math, and 230 gr @ 835fps is slightly less, but essentially the equivalent in energy to 124gr @ 1150fps. Ill be anxiously waiting to hear your findings. The point that the wound tracks are almost the same according to the 2014 report is very surprising to me and frankly illogical looking at the bullet size, both uncollapsed and collapsed. Physics is easy, and understanding it is made easier by modern innovations like your tube . Practice, practice, practice. Forced to choose I'd take 9mm all day for so many reasons.. 9mm or 45? yo prefiero una .45 acp de gran capacidad, p 14, una mega star, una glock en modelos 21 y 30; todas ellas por el gran poder de contundencia. Once it is dead, it cannot be deader. But personally I would have both a BIG gun like 44 Magnum and spray, not one or the other. My 9mm compact carry S&W Shield semi-auto has a ported barrel. Hi John, I enjoyed your comments. This, unfortunately takes time to accomplish. A lot of this pissing contest about pistol calibers is very egocentriccentric. Well the most elite special forces still use 45 acp, is it because it is better? As for the tool, I like the Springfield XD series. May be a great home defense gun, but far from ultimate . This way, I can make sure that he'll have some peace when I'm trying to fire some rounds on a practice target. When comparing the Glock compacts in both calibers, the 9MM was less bulky, lighter, and easier to conceal. I might possibly be able to shoot 9mm slightly faster but I seem to have consistently better first shot accuracy with .40 S&W and 45 ACP. For me the question isn't which caliber is "better" but which caliber a firearm owner prefers based on any number of factors. .45 ACP does have more advantages than stated in this article, namely that the .45 will not get deflected by bones nearly as bad as the 9mm (for example, pro bowlers, as they age, would rather stick with a 16lb ball and have less speed than drop to a 15lb ball and keep their speed high - the difference between a 15lb ball and a 16lb ball going through the pins is astonishing). I agree. ERIC! Something I noticed was that the percentage of loss among all nine millimeter loads between extremes in length was approximately 10%. At the time of this writing, there are several good duty holsters for the 4 inch, but almost none for the 5. There is a difference between an LEO and a civilian. Neither round is worth anything if you can't connect with your target confidently and accurately. Josh surely has the skills to know that the results of this test on recoil and accuracy are more important than VELO only. By Josh Wayner So, pick what you like, as long as the handgun iis suited to the job at hand. They are long-distance rifle competitors and long-distance hunters. The Ruger LC380 is her favorite. Hind that is capacity, availability, recoil, etc. The difference between the two cartridges in size is dramatic. Even if you use only factory and clock the loads, this is not news. I've finally finished up college and paid off my loans, and I'm ready to get back to the range at least weekly to improve my accuracy now that my budget allows. chambered in .400 Corbon gives me the power of a 10mm in a 45 ACP case size. Less 'intent' to kill when LEO show up to take your statement and you're less likely to injure a family member 3 rooms away! ======================= For one after police and FBI started using back 9mm amount of ammo that burned for arrested increased almost by 50%. In such a case, the permanent cavity is stretched so far, and so fast, that tearing and rupturing can occur in tissues surrounding the wound channel, which were weakened by fragmentation damage. Praised for being compact and easier to handle than its .45 ACP counterpart, the 9mm has become one of the most popular rounds in the world. Compromise. However, police officers can enhance the effectiveness of the 9mm by careful bullet selection. This negates the added magazine capacity advantage of the 9mm. The masses want to know. The pistol has a dropleg tactical holster that holds 4 extra 9RD mags. back in 1971, couple years ago! The 9mm on a per round damage basis is NOT as effective as a 45. But the idea that the .45 will stop a man in his tracks no matter where you shoot him is preposterous. Critical duty allows barrier penetration. I don't think a ATTACKER/HOME INVADER will know the difference between a 9mm or a 45cal to the HEAD, NECK or a double tap in the CHEST!! It took me 30 years of my fourty being here to get it. As most modern shooting systems use a two hannd grip, the grip circumference is negligible. I may be considered old and not moving with the new trends, and all is good and dandy with the 9 mm and all the new ammo development, but if the .45 was good to stop the japs and the Krouts, in my book it is good to stop anyone who wants to harm me or my family. The extension mag wrapped allows for a 'golf grip' & more leverage to handle recoil. The 9mm was developed by Georg Luger in 1901, who based it upon his earlier 7.6521mm Parabellum. It also has a wide selection of ammunition types. "Subsonic is slow for a bullet" lol. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://gundata.org/images/fbi-handgun-ballistics.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjW3I71693mAhVGZM0KHXzxCngQFjAAegQIBRAB&usg=AOvVaw10DVrk4SswQsgAgCh-Cf28 That being said, every one raves about the FPS of the 9mm. With the 7 round magazine it fits in my jeans front pocket. I've done some research on the differences regarding handguns, but now I'm getting a little confused. :), Here's an old lady's take on it: the best gun/caliber is what YOU shoot best. For the elderly, the recoil of the standard 1911 45 is lesser because of its weight. But the 10mm has the speed of the 9mm & is even faster & has the power of a .357 mag ---- .41 mag depending on the ammo you buy Plus it holds 15+1. You have the triple package. My sidearm of choice has been the Gen 3 Glock 22 for years. -- Ballistics have improved for 9mm simply to make it usable again. Grip safety with chambered indicator. Brandon Harville, There is a link to a notorious anti-gun organization in your article. At Self-Defense ranges for a pistol, 50 fps will provide no positives or negatives. Can't argue with those numbers. I have good friends who shoot .45 and we all get along just fine. In states like Connecticut where magazine capacity is limited to 10 rounds, would this restriction alter the debate in any way? Except it still has less muzzle energy, penetration, and capacity than 9mm in the same platform . LolYour comments are the only ones I've read here filled with ignorance and apparent inexperience. I have shot many things living and not w both calibers and i have to say that 45acp does noticeably more damage. Over 100 years of testing and iteration have produced some very powerful .45 ACP ammo. Furthermore, the 9mm is more practical for the average shooter looking to spend time on the range. The stand-out loads among those that I tested are again from Lehigh Defense. How can the 9mm "have the same wound tracks as a .45 ACP" when the .45 expands to an inch diameter? Muzzle Energy. Almost reaching weak .44 mag specs Take the 155gr XTP 10mm round from Underwood. Besides, small guns can be easily supplemented with an extra mag or two or a back-up gun. Thanks, Eric! Josh Wayner has been writing in the gun industry for five years. They hardly hit that number. They had a narcotic in them to keep them advancing until they expired. The only good news is that those gunfights are extremely rare. While the 9's, well, they kept on fighting on theor feet. My 1911 in 45 has little recoil barely if any more then a 9mm. You can find a calculator for it online yourself as this website doesn't allow you to post comments with URLs in them. Well cover the calibers capabilities and offer velocity, energy and bullet drop data for the most popular 919 loads at AmmoToGo.com. From the days of the trusty Colt M1911 to. Login Register. Feel free to check out these sources: Left out (one) seemingly small but (very) important step when take action time arrives. This cookie, set by Cloudflare, is used to support Cloudflare Bot Management. One ammo for all. Or pick up some Federal HST 185 grain 45 ACP, 1140 fps! Knock down power is vague, because it doesnt exist. Placement regardless the expansion will do the job. I rely on my skill to execute the shot. I know most of the ammo I use will be full metal jacket so I picked 7.62 x 51 and 7.62 x 39 as my rifle calibers. Im also not worried about cost when it comes to my defense, no compromise there either. Good show! The more we all know, the better organized and stronger the shooting and hunting community will be. This isnt a pride of ownership statement either. Springfield 1911 A1 .45ACP +P ported and polished. This reaction is recoil. My choice, since my first 1911A back in 1953, to my Glocks G21SF, G30, and G36 of today. It usually takes longer for lung and lower toro hits to produce the same results. The correct bullet for the job Either expanding or hard cast for penetration. Where I grew up an old timer who was still an incredibly good shot was asked which he would rather be holding in a gunfight. This is a 9mm Luger ballistics chart (external) generated using our ballistic trajectory calculator. Shoot them both at the same velocity at a block of gelatin. Not to mention the permanent fragmentation wounds are nasty in themselves. I have them all. towards your level. Americans note that Europeans have small countries with a central government each, whereas the US is a country thousands of miles across with 367 million people, and a ton of different states. Knock down power is about energy transfer. I am an American and although I am proud of America and her accomplishments, I surely would never discredit any of the Allies contributions to victory in either World War. FBI dropped 0.40 not because 9mm comes even close to it just affirmative action that's all it is. No, youre not . Don't know about explode, but a good hollow point will EXPAND. But then a .22 in the eye works to. Fortunately plenty exists. Wrong, you change the angle. Even on the Eastern front, a large part of how the USSR was able to keep fighting was because of American lend-lease. They are way more similar than they are different, and its up to everyone to make the choice whats right for them. My primary indoor home defense weapons are only a .40 Smith & Wesson carbine and pistols chambered in .45 Auto and .40 Smith & Wesson. I have both, I have practiced more with the 45 ACP. Get free updates when we add new tips, articles and more! Possibly the only cons of the Glock 30, compare to the Glock 19, being slightly wider grip and more recoil. Ultimately, both calibers are great to have. They struggled with .357 and .45. As you might imagine, muzzle velocity varies quite widely depending on the type of gun you are shooting. * Universal availability or AMMO--actually should be #1 !! At the end of the day, marksmanship always wins out. The .45 was becoming a dinasaur. LEOs have completely different considerations. That is literally the definition of subsonic : below a certain speed ( the speed of sound). Based on tests of 12 hollowpoints, the 9mm pistol and the 9mm carbine produced the same average estimated wound ballistics. But it's like buying a vehicle, or picking out a new bass as far as there are pros and cons to each one. You sound highly inexperienced. The .45 is bigger, but not that much bigger. 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